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While ambassadors to the UN hold meetings for the sake of global peace and security,
although not appointed by their country,
individuals claiming to be representatives of their country
have gathered to form an unofficial council
for the peace and security of the youths of the world.
Episode 172
The meeting is called to order!
I'm Chairman of Non-Summit, Jeon Hyun-moo.
- Secretary General, Yoo Se-yoon. - Chairman, Sung Si-kyung.
We are Jeon Yoo Sung!
Welcome, Ambassadors!
Let's meet our new ambassador!
Representative Than Chaw Tun from Myanmar,
Please introduce yourself.
Hello, I'm Than Chaw Tun from Myanmar.
I majored in Korean at the University of Foreign Languages in Yangon.
and in Korea, I majored in architectural engineering at Pukyong National University.
Now, I work at Hyundai Engineering & Construction as Construction Supervisor.
Please breathe...
- Should I slow down? - Yes, please slow down.
- Speak slowly in Korean now. - Oh, OK...
No, I mean, speak Korean!
You can speak in Korean now.
Hi, my name's Than Chaw Tun, and I'm from Myanmar.
I majored in Korean at the University of Foreign Languages in Yangon,
and, now, I am Construction Supervisor at Hyundai Engineering & Construction
His Korean is really good!
Right?
Why don't you brag a little bit about Myanmar.
Myanmar is a multi-ethnic nation,
so it's culturally diverse,
and it has many beautiful landscapes worth visiting.
Not only that, but Myanmar was the wealthiest country
in Southeast Asia until the early '60s.
Because its recent transition to open economy
turned it into a nation with potential,
in Southeast Asia, it's called, "the land of last chance."
- Wasn't Myanmar called Burma before? - Yes.
Is there a reason why the name was changed?
Myanmar had been under military dictatorship since 1962.
In 1988, when a political strife known as the 8888 Uprising occurred,
the country's ruling military junta suppressed the strife,
and changed the country's name from Burma to Myanmar.
- Is that so?
Is Yangon the capital city?
It was before, but Naypyidaw became the capital in 2005.
- Oh, it was changed? - Yes, it was changed.
The capital was changed in 2005 by the former military junta.
(But it is now know to be a ghost town)
To this day, Yangon plays the role of the nation's capital.
I have a question.
I heard that people from Myanmar don't have last names. Is that true?
Yes, that's true.
- Really? No last name? - Nope.
Only first names.
Than Chaw Tun is your only name?
Yes, that's it. You could imitate the father's first name
by taking part of it to make your first name.
But no last names.
That's very interesting!
Apparently, like the Korean writing system,
the Burmese writing system is considered to be
one of the most beautiful writing systems.
Is it true?
Yes, I heard about that on the news last year.
They say it looks round and cute...
- That's really pretty! - It looks cool!
It looks prettier than the language sounds!
Alright!
Let's begin the new segment with Than Chaw Tun, Representative of Myanmar!
Issues around the world captivating a population of 7.5 billion!
It's time for: Eyes on You!
Is that what it's called?
The first discussion topic of this segment is
the attention the U.S. has been getting
on its declaration of withdrawal from UNESCO.
'UNESCO's Got Eyes on You!' Shall we discuss it?
UNESCO is an international organization
that preserves and protects sites recognized as World Heritage Site.
So, the U.S. recently announced its will to withdraw.
The U.S. and Israel have declared to withdraw from UNESCO.
This is due to UNESCO's inclination to being "anti-Israel."
It all began when UNESCO made a decision in favor of Palestine,
regarding a territorial dispute between Palestine and Israel.
During this process,
UNESCO referred to Israel as "invaders of Jerusalem,"
aggravating U.S. controversy.
While lodging a protest, Israel moved the U.S.
to be joined in withdrawing from UNESCO.
Due to contrasting perspectives, UNESCO has become
the battle ground of a diplomatic conflict.
Mark, you're the "guardian of culture."
What's your view on this?
Actually, this isn't the first time the U.S. withdraws from UNESCO.
The U.S. has a long, complicated history with UNESCO.
In 1984, during the presidency of Ronald Reagan,
the U.S. withdrew for the first time
for the reason that UNESCO acted pro-Soviet Union.
But, in 2002, during the presidency of George W. Bush,
the U.S. rejoined the organization.
Later in 2011,
when UNESCO recognized Palestine as a state,
and approved its membership to UNESCO,
the U.S. ceased to pay its membership dues.
So, the U.S. hasn't been paying its dues ever since.
Then, recently, Trump declared to withdraw again.
But, Mark, you're not giving us your opinion.
- You're just explaining the situation. - Good catch!
You can say that the American view on this is half-and-half.
We actually have a law stating that
if an international organization
approves membership of Palestine,
legally, the U.S. cannot pay funds.
There's such U.S. law?
Yes, such law exists because of the U.S.-Israel alliance.
Italy's economic bloc...
So...
While some people are for the U.S.' decision to withdraw...
I want to know what YOU, Mark Tetto, think about this.
Ok, please talk about YOUR opinion!
He said, "YOU, Mark Tetto!"
Guillaume's got you cornered there!
We also withdrew from the Paris Climate Agreement,
and I'm worried that we're withdrawing
from here and there because
to be influential, we must have a voice on the international platform.
In other words, you're against it?
Yes, I am against it.
- Personally, I'm against it. - Ok, got it.
As Israel, who accused UNESCO of destroying history,
joined the U.S. in withdrawing from UNESCO,
North Korea said...
Mimic their news anchor...
The U.S. has shown extreme arrogance and egoism, acting for its
own benefits at the expense of world peace and civilization.
(Good job!)
- Why did you make your lips like that? - To sound like them...
Right! You must focus on the lips!
What does everyone think?
As Mark said,
seeing the U.S. withdraw from
international organizations
makes Swiss citizens wonder how to trust the U.S. from now on.
How can we negotiate with the U.S. from now on?
It's not a permanent decision, so...
Trump doesn't seem to be interested in playing the role of the world's police.
Trump's motto is, "America First."
The French media believes that
"once again, Trump acted as Trump would.
He acted as expected of him.
He doesn't seem interested in practicing multilateralism.
He seems interested only in American dominance.
Italy also has a negative view on this.
Our government didn't say anything,
but our media described it as a pitiful act
that ignores human rights and global culture.
Germany's viewpoint is a bit different because
when the voting concerning Palestine's entrance took place,
as the U.S. did, Germany also voted against it.
So, although, we do not support the withdrawal from UNESCO,
we understand their position.
And, as Mark said before,
it's not the first time they're withdrawing, anyway,
so we're thinking, "watch them come back."
- They'll probably come back. - Yea, probably.
At a news conference, the Chinese department of foreign affairs
expressed that China will actively support UNESCO because
the organization protects World Heritage Sites,
and contributes to global peace.
Also, China believes that U.S.' withdrawal
may increase China's influence on international policies.
Oh, a chance for China?
Our media says the same thing.
That, if we leave, the power will shift to China.
I thought of it as nothing more than a means to preserve culture,
but leaving this connection affects politics.
It's a territorial dispute between Palestine and Israel.
There are religious sites on that land that are sacred
to Judaism, but UNESCO declared Palestine as owner.
So, that sparked a political tension, resulting in the withdrawal.
But UNESCO made the decision based on historical facts.
Shouldn't you acknowledge the facts?
But as of now, ownership is undecided under international law.
But it's the words of archeologists vs. the words of politicians.
Who do you believe?
Politicians speak in terms that benefit them politically,
so they will argue for their country.
But archeologists look at the facts.
But Israeli historians would take a different view.
- Right. - So it's uncertain.
The U.S. believes that Muslims and Jews should have co-ownership of the site.
So it's a problem for them to only declare Muslims as owners.
It's an international organization, so scholars from all over the world
must have searched and decided based on factual evidence.
So using the political relation with Israel as an excuse for withdrawal,
appears as using financial force to push their political agenda.
Being part of such organization should mean that
you're ready to accept decisions made collectively.
Wanting to leave when things don't go your way is...
- That's the problem. - It's ignoring the whole purpose.
Alright, then.
Currently, Korea has the following listed as World Heritage:
Jongmyo Shrine, and Haeinsa Jangyeong Panjeon.
Tell us about World Heritages from your countries.
Feel free to brag.
Okay, let me brag first.
Italy has the most on UNESCO's list of World Heritages.
We have as many as 53 sites.
It would take forever to introduce each of them.
So I recommend one site in southern Italy,
the City of Matera.
It's a city of caves.
It was inhabited by people until 3040 years ago,
but it's still intact!
It's so beautiful!
The city as a whole is considered to be World Heritage.
So Italy has 53 sites. Well, China has 52 sites.
- So we're 2nd in line. - So close!
You must be disappointed.
Sure, we're one behind; but, still,
Beijing is the city with the most World Heritage Sites.
Good for you...
The first registered site was the Great Wall, in 1987.
In the region of Xiamen, an island called, Kulangsu
was registered recently, in July.
The harmonious blend of oriental architecture and
western architecture makes this island beautiful.
America has a lot too...
No, you don't! You withdrew, remember?
The heritage doesn't just disappear, though!
(Mark's frantic attempt to object)
Our iconic symbol... Our iconic symbol...
The Statue of Liberty still exists!
- I'm just kidding! - Anyway...
It was a beautiful gift given by France in 1886,
for the 100th anniversary of American Independence.
It has become a symbol of immigration,
and because it carries so much of our history,
UNESCO registered it as World Heritage in 1984,
- We have over 30 sites. (Mexico has 34 sites)
They were mostly built during
the ancient Maya civilization, such as temple pyramids.
There's a lot of 'em.
Mexico is famous for intangible Cultural Heritage.
For instance, our Mariachi music was recognized as World Heritage.
(Mariachi is Mexico's traditional music, performed in traditional Mexican costumes.)
And, Mexican food alone was also recognized as World Heritage.
- Oh, really? - France, too, I think...
Yes, that's also the case in France.
In 2010, the French food culture and dishes
were also recognized as World Cultural Heritage.
But it's nonsense!
There's good food...
in every country!
(Good point!)
By that logic, each country should be recognized for its food.
- It's unlike him to be humble... - Good job! That was good!
Every country but England, should be recognized.
Every country but England?
I know how they decide it.
They look at the history of the dish...
and the ingredients and cooking method of it.
Was Germany's World Heritage revoked before?
Yea... The Dresden Elbe Valley
used to be a World Heritage Site.
But due to heavy traffic congestion around the Elbe River,
we planned to make a bridge across the river.
Oh, a bridge...
We were warned that the World Heritage status would be revoked
if we contained with the plan to build a bridge.
The bridge was built in spite the warning,
and consequently, the World Heritage status was revoked.
Now, everyone regrets it.
- At least you respect the outcome. - Right, we accept the consequence.
To have a Cultural Heritage listed as World Heritage
means to have worldwide recognition of its value.
Lately, Korea's been working to have
documentation of Comfort Women approved by UNESCO.
What are other countries working on?
Currently, Myanmar is working to have a case
similar to Korea's May 18 Democratic Uprising, approved.
As I mentioned earlier, the event is called, the 8888 Uprising,
and we're working to have it approved as World Heritage.
So Gwangju City has offered to help us
through the procedure of getting approval.
- Assistance from Gwangju? - Yes.
There's a Chinese Cultural Heritage
that failed to be approved for the past 10 years;
It's Tai Chi.
- Oh, the early morning exercise? - Yes.
When we first requested for approval in 2008,
we weren't persuasive enough, so they concluded that it was
nothing more than a cultural difference, and rejected it.
So we made another request in 2009, but that also was rejected because,
in 2009, they started to put a limit on the number of requests permitted per country.
So, to this day, we haven't been able to have it approved.
- You'll keep on trying, then? - Yea, I guess.
Unlike France that asks to have ridiculous things
like food as World Heritage,
Germany genuinely requested to have 39 locations
approved for World Heritage Sites,
and they're still pending.
That's too many.
Right. In fact, the locals of those locations
would rather not have those places registered by UNESCO.
Why is that?
Because so many tourists go there.
If those places become World Heritage Sites,
the number of tourists will double and triple,
and that might be a burden for the locals.
But wouldn't it increase revenue?
There's already more than enough revenue.
Too much tourism causes discomfort for the locals.
Getting recognition could actually be a disadvantage, then.
So, this is the new segment called, Eyes on You;
and we're discussing international organizations.
This organization, is one that's been watching Myanmar.
Next topic is: UN's Got Eyes on You! Let's begin.
The UN was established to prevent wars, and maintain peace.
Lately, the oppression of the Rohingya people
by the government of Myanmar has become an issue.
Myanmar, a Buddhist nation, is inhabited
by about one million Islamic Rohingya people.
They are denied citizenship, and have lived under oppression
as illegal aliens since the 1990s.
Last year, in October,
the Rohingya militia attacked the police,
and since then, retaliation had begun.
As the government of Myanmar began to
forcibly remove the Rohingya people,
over 600 thousand Rohingya refugees crossed the national border...
- Oh my God... - ...to avoid a massacre.
The government of Myanmar
executed a mass shooting
against the Rohingya people.
Neighboring nations, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Thailand
have refused to accept Rohingya refugees.
As a result, more than 8,000 people are
presumed to be drifting at sea.
The UN Secretary General have stated that
the Rohingya people are at risk of ethnic cleansing.
Please explain to those who might not know
how this situation came about.
Myanmar had been colonized by England since 1885.
During that time, the British brought
people from Bangladesh
to use them as labor.
Oh, the Rohingyas are from Bangladesh?
Right. They're not from Myanmar.
So they had been living in Myanmar since then.
Now, they're asking to be accepted as citizens of Myanmar.
- As a minority race? - Right, right.
But there's a law in Myanmar stating that
only ethnic groups that have lived in Myanmar
before 1823 are recognized as citizens.
But, because the Rohingyas came in 1885,
they cannot be accepted as citizens.
Let's hear how other countries react.
The UN Resident Coordinator in Myanmar is Canadian.
She's been criticized by the media all over the world because
there had been warnings about the crisis in Myanmar,
but she seems to have ignored them.
That it could have been prevented...?
Right.
In France, President Macron commented that...
the Rohingya people are victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Humanitarian aid must be secured,
and violation of the rule of law must be stopped.
As we know, there is ethnic cleansing happening there (Myanmar).
Japan is in good standing with Myanmar, but after this incident,
our media did criticize that
what's happening is violence and a serious concern.
We need to examine this problem carefully.
Just because some of them are terrorists,
it doesn't mean that the innocents must suffer.
These people have no place to go.
They're trapped on the ocean, just waiting.
We must gain control of the situation before it gets any bigger.
The refugees are suffering the most right now.
I saw an interview by the ambassador of Bangladesh in Mexico.
According to him, Bangladesh can't accept any more refugees.
They've accepted too many.
He also criticized that Myanmar
doesn't treat the Rohingyas as human beings.
Oh, did he?
Germany criticized
the government of Myanmar and
Aung San Suu Kyi, the recipient of Nobel Peace Prize.
And, as Christian mentioned,
since there aren't enough resources in neighboring countries
to accept the refugees,
Germany is considering to accept those refugees.
Wow! Germany is amazing!
Germany is very tolerant!
Yea, they're very open-minded...
I can't believe it...
But the truth is,
it's not just the Rohingyas that are affected by this.
There's a terrorist group of Rohingyas called, ARSA, that's been
terrorizing the people of Myanmar living in Rakhine.
They have raped women,
destroyed temples,
and even murdered people.
But the media portrays it as if the Rohingya people are the only victims.
America didn't have such a good relationship with Myanmar.
When President Obama took office,
Myanmar was beginning with a new government,
so the two nations worked to improve the relationship.
But due to this incident, the relationship took a downturn,
and the U.S. Secretary of State is criticizing Myanmar again.
And, recently, American politicians considered to
have sanctions against Myanmar's military.
China only made an official statement that
they hope Myanmar returns to a peaceful state.
Myanmar and Bangladesh should communicate and
actively take part in resolving the situation.
The media in Myanmar seems to be saying that China is supporting their action.
I think this is an exaggerated statement.
Italian experts say that Myanmar is rapidly expanding financially.
In order to attract foreign business, Myanmar's government chose
several regions in the country that needs to be developed.
So, they plan to have business from China and
India where the Rohingya people live because
it is close to the border of Bangladesh, and plays an important role.
So, the theory is that the government of Myanmar is removing the Rohingya
people from that region, so that they can quickly develop the region.
That region is important because it's a clear route from overseas to China.
It's a cosmopolitan area.
Whatever the situation is...
It's a matter of human rights.
I think it's important that this became an issue...
Regardless of which side you're on...
As mentioned before,
Aung San Suu Kyi is also well known in Korea.
Aung San Suu Kyi was born as a daughter of the general
Aung San, the well-known independence activist.
Myanmar’s democratic transition changed her life.
She was put on house arrest many times over the years.
She was awarded Nobel Peace Prize for contribution.
She's getting criticized for keeping silence on the Rohingya refugee crisis.
Oxford revoked the honorary citizenship that had been granted to her.
And Oxford University took down her portrait from the main entrance.
The reactions from other countries are very strong.
Many Italians are reacting negatively to her lack of action.
People are dismayed that she'd let the crisis unfold as it had.
They find it hard to believe.
Some even say that they should take back the Nobel Peace Prize.
She had an honorary citizenship in Canada too.
About 250 people gathered in Ottawa to protest.
They argued that Canada should cancel her citizenship.
She received lots of honorary citizenship from all around the world.
The countries who grant their citizenship have to be interested in her activities.
She also received a honorable award called Benazir Bhutto Award for Democracy.
(To commemorate the life of former prime minister Bhutto,
the award is given to those who fight for human rights and democracy)
But given the seriousness of the Rohingya crisis,
some people are asking for the government to revoke the award.
People are shocked.
She has been a beloved figure in the States as well.
She was on a house arrest during the Obama administration,
and many celebrities and politicians asked for her release.
Like other countries, there's been a change in the opinions regarding her.
People who asked for her release now condemn her policy.
Angelina Jolie also urged her to take an action to stop the violence.
Ms. Jolie is very busy.
In Japan, she was a symbol of democracy.
But the good opinions about her have changed, and people think
she wouldn't have gotten Nobel Peace Prize if this had happened before.
But there's a different perspective as well.
Some questions if she deserves to be blamed for this.
Because she doesn't really have any authority over military,
they pointed out that her lack of action doesn't make her an enabler.
I think Western people are criticizing her too harshly.
This crisis is the result of very long and complicated history.
Why are they putting all the blames on her?
I don't think U.N is intervening in Myanmar's political matter.
They get involved only when human rights are ignored.
- It's not an intervention? - It's only about human rights.
He's saying it's not.
I think anyone who was awarded Nobel Peace Prize,
they should at least try to live up to expectation,
since all eyes are on them.
Not doing anything is not okay.
- I see. - How do people in Myanmar are reacting?
This is what was said during a speech that broadcast on national TV.
Aung San Suu Kyi said
rohingya rebels are responsible for the current crisis.
And about pouring criticism from abroad, she said--
She said she'll show by actions not by words.
The region in dispute is Rakhine State, right?
That's right. It's in the west region of Myanmar.
She said she'll take the leadership of Rakhine state's committee.
(She plans to facilitate the Rohingya Muslims' return and resettlement)
Because of North Korea's frequent missile test, we're under scrutiny of the UN.
Please tell us about issues relating to the UN.
In Japan, for 24 years, we've been submitting
the proposal to get rid of nuclear bombs.
Japan is the only country that has been hit by nuclear bombs.
But the proposal was declined every time.
There'll be U.N general assembly in December,
so Japanese are waiting to see what'll happen to the proposal this time.
In the States, Obama administration created a nuclear deal with many countries.
They made a deal out of the negotiation.
But Trump administration is dismantling many of Obama's legacy,
and he also mentioned that he'd like to change this deal.
We don't know if he really will go back on this deal. We'll find out.
In Canada, Trudeau made a speech at the UN general assembly
about how badly European settlers treated indigenous people.
And other countries joined him in apologizing about their countries' past wrongdoings.
Of course, he didn't personally do anything wrong.
But it was great to see him making an apology on behalf of the country.
The U.N headquarter in Geneva is soon having a renovation.
That's an issue?
Yes.
Concerns about interior design?
They are keeping a sharp eye on it.
Which contractors they will hire and stuff.
Before they begin the actual renovation, people can go in there
and have a tour.
Most people don't really know what U.N staff are doing at the headquarter.
And it's true that there's doubt about the U.N.
They are trying to promote transparency.
Non Summit Meeting is always there to listen to our viewers' stories.
Now we'll begin our main debate.
Before we introduce today's guests,
let's meet our daily representatives.
First, please welcome Zeno from South Africa.
Hi guys, my name is Zeno, and I'm 24 years old. I'm from Cape Town, South Africa.
My Korean name is Nam Jin-ho.
I got the last name Nam from Namahgong (South Africa in Korean).
Mr. Nam Jin-ho. That's clever.
The reason I came to Korea is--
I love fashion.
I'm working as a stylist now.
My ultimate goal is to become a fashion designer.
That's so cool.
But you fell in love with Korea because of fashion?
I admire Andre Kim.
I met him once when I was a boy.
- Where? - Home Plus.
I got to talk to him. I told him about my dream of becoming a fashion designer.
- What did he say? - He loved it.
His words really encouraged me.
Now we'll meet our representative from Poland. Matthew, please introduce yourself.
Hi guys, my name is Matthew and I'm 23 years old.
I'm from Piotrków Trybunalski in Poland.
I came to Korea for the first time five years ago.
I loved it here.
I "stored" it in my heart.
Out of nowhere....
I went back to Poland because I was too young.
I came back after graduation.
It's been three years.
We heard that you worked together with famous celebrities.
Long time ago I worked with Jun Ji-hyun.
Wow.
Yes.
And Song Joong-ki.
Park Shin-hye.
Now that we met representatives from South Africa and Poland,
let's greet Korean representative.
They contributed in making of Jun Hyun-moo's stardom.
I'm forever indebted.
SHINEE, have we known each other for 10 years now?
Still shining after the debut 10 years ago, SHINEE's Min-ho and Tae-min.
Welcome.
Gentlemen.
(Now they are global stars)
(Our shining SHINEE Min-ho and Tae-min)
So handsome.
Hi guys, I'm Tae-min.
I'm here as a Korean representative.
And a member of SHINEE.
The youngest.
Hi, I'm Min-ho, representing Korea.
Nice to meet you guys.
When former President Obama visited Korea for Asia Leadership Conference,
he mentioned SHINEE during an interview.
(Young Americans are studying Korean to get to know SHINEE)
What did your friends say when that happened?
We were amazed that President Obama knew about us.
When we saw our name in the Politics/Economy section of the newspaper,
we were happy that older generations will hear about us too.
It felt great.
- Maybe he knows you too, Hyun-moo. - That's a possibility.
- Because you're connected to SHINEE. - Very much so.
I hope he knows about us only.
- You've released songs as a solo artist, Tae-min. - Yes.
I just released the second album called
- You looked amazing. - He's a great dancer.
There's a funny story about the song "Move."
It's called "Move Syndrome."
It's like a parody.
Even grandmas who were doing dishes
start to dance when this song comes out.
(People reporting of their "Move syndrome" online)
I've been watching Non Summit Meeting
and saw that Ogi here is really good at dancing.
He's our own dancer.
(He can do idol girl groups' dance)
(as well as poppin' dance)
(He's got the bad case of Move Syndrome)
Wow, you're mentioned by SHINEE.
You might get mentioned by Obama too.
His dances were what I called 'studied dance.'
He does it exactly as he were taught.
You should show them.
- Hm? - Let us see you dance.
- Will you dance together? - Yes.
(Hyun-moo is getting up too)
(All set)
(Error)
What is he doing?
They are completely ignoring me.
There comes our pigeon!
Ogi's so good!!!
Take it, Tae-min.
(Is it my turn)
(Poppin' collaboration)
(A strange creature is attacking the dancers)
(Amazing)
That was great.
That was really cool.
It was awesome.
We're with Obama's idols Min-ho and Tae-min!
Let's see our agenda.
Since my job is closely related to fashion,
I got today's agenda from this issue.
I can't get rid of old clothes, because I feel like they'll get back in style.
Am I abnormal?
- I get it. - Especially these days...
SHINEE's known for their great style. What's your everyday wardrobe like?
I like simple and dandy style.
It could be my parents' influence,
but when I buy clothes, I want something that'll last long, like basic items.
So in my daily life, I like something simple.
- Unlike when I'm performing. - You don't go for hip hop style?
- Nah. - It doesn't suit you.
I gave it a try but--
I felt so awkward.
I know exactly what you mean.
I couldn't even go out to the empty street.
- You felt shy. - Because it was awkward for you.
I freaked out when I saw myself in the mirror in the elevator.
We can't talk about SHINEE without mentioning skinny jeans.
Now everyone wears it, but at first it was very shocking.
When we had our debut, skinny jeans were not in fashion.
We did a runway show in Europe back then,
where we saw models wearing pants that were very tight.
And we kinda started trying out that look.
Once we started wearing skinny jeans,
it felt awkward to wear baggy pants.
I prefer to call it SHINEE jeans, not skinny jeans.
I bought my first pair of skinny jeans because of SHINEE.
Who cares.
Thank you.
There are ones made with spandex.
Skinny jeans were popular in Japan a long time ago.
It was pretty popular in early 2000s.
Now it's not a fashion item. It's just basic staple.
Ogi said Japan had it in early 2000s,
but actually, in Mexico, we've been wearing skinny jeans for a very long time.
Everyone wore it in Mexican revolution era.
- During Mexican revolution? - What?
He's telling the truth!
It's in black and white!
That's why you don't throw out old clothes.
Now it's in history.
Jeans are steady sellers in fashion.
It's been popular for 150 years.
Jeans came from...
America?
A lot of people worked in gold mines
in 1800s.
A guy named Levi Strauss...
He's German.
He was American.
He moved to America.
Strauss sounds German.
He was born in Germany.
He immigrated.
(Tense arguments.)
Miners needed sturdy pants.
So Levi Strauss...
Used sails or cloths from tents
because they were very sturdy
to make pants.
Miners thought they were sturdy
and comfortable!
It's been popular since.
I'm sorry to Mark but...
Blue jeans...
Are from Italy.
There's a city called Genoa in Italy.
It's a port.
They started making the fabric for jeans
from 15th century.
(Nope.)
So bleu de Genes.
It means blue fabric from Genoa.
And the immigrants took it over
to America.
Sailors in Genoa wore similar pants.
That's where the name comes from.
And one last thing.
The most important thing
in Levi's jeans is...
The rivets.
(Rivets.)
It was his patent.
So that comes from America.
(Still talking about where)
(jeans originally come from.)
Let's talk about where
some of these famous fashion items
come from.
Didn't Know This Was Yours.
Ponchos come from Mexico.
Some people call it a cape.
Its original name wasn't a poncho.
It's...
It existed from 2000 B.C.
People already wore it back then.
Just like Hanbok,
it's changing as times are changing too.
It's become our traditional garment
for formal events.
The Hawaiian shirts come from Japan.
(They're from Japan?)
(Really?)
Japanese people living in Hawaii
first made those shirts.
Japan mostly wore kimonos.
But it's uncomfortable for farming.
So they cut their kimonos.
Since a lot of shirts have collars,
they decided to put collars on kimonos.
And that became the Hawaiian shirts
that we know today.
Their fancy patterns come from kimonos.
I don't know if you heard of
the Mandela shirts.
Its similar to Hawaiian shirts.
When Mandela was released from prison,
a designer gave it to him as a gift.
Its variety of colors and patterns
represent our country.
Most high fashions come from Europe.
For the last 5 to 10 years,
street fashion has been popular
in America.
Hoodies come from America.
That's totally American.
So many college students wear it.
Workers in northern New York...
Are you saying hoodies come from Italy?
Monks...
He's right!
It's from the medieval times!
(Medieval swag.)
(Never ending controversy.)
You can't win against medieval times.
I'm not saying hoods come from America.
Hoodies are sweaters with hoods.
(Fine.)
Workers who worked in cold storage
used to wear sweaters
and they attached hoods to it
so they can quickly wear it and
and take it off easily.
Monks can wear hoods really fast!
Nothing's working out for Mark today.
(Then what comes from Italy?)
A lot of things come from Italy.
Ties for example...
It comes from Roman soldiers' attire.
Our recent creation is related to sandals.
People used to wear sandals with socks.
But in 1944, an Italian magazine
published a picture of someone
wearing sandals without socks.
People started doing the same thing.
Without some Germans,
most people wear sandals without socks.
I...
Don't even think wearing sandals
with socks can be called a fashion.
The reason why most people think that
about Germans is because...
Of old men in their holidays.
People say we can't dress
because of that.
It's so embarrassing!
When I see
people who do that in other countries...
I assume they're Polish.
Germany, Poland and Russia.
It's a bit too country.
Country?
But don't models wear socks with sandals
on fashions hows now?
If you two wear it, it'll get popular.
Modern hip hop style comes from Adidas.
That's German.
Adidas is German.
It became a modern hip hop style
because Run DMC,
an American hip hop group
made a song called My Adidas
because they wore Adidas and its shoes.
Then Adidas and Run DMC
did a first collaboration between
a fashion brand and a hip hop group.
(It was very popular.)
After that, a lot of hip hop artists
started to wear Adidas
and popularized sneakers.
They may have popularized it.
But a company called Keds
was the first one to make sneakers.
There are no controversies today
except when you're talking.
Your father was a designer for Adidas?
Yes, that's right.
He was a graphics designer for Adidas.
He still has his work left in South Africa.
Do you guys know rugby?
It's very popular in our country.
There's a team called Stormers.
Adidas is their sponsor.
My dad's the one who designed
the three stripes on rugby uniforms.
(His idea was integrated in the uniform.)
That's crazy.
I can't throw my old clothes away
in case they come back.
Am I abnormal?
Let's start our debate.
Let's talk about fashion.
What are popular in your country right now?
As an idol,
what do you know that are popular?
Retro is coming back in Korea.
I've been seeing wide pants more.
And jean jackets.
Or chokers.
They're becoming more popular.
Park Na-Rae wears it all the time.
She looked so pale,
I thought she was choking.
(Fashion and skin whitening...?)
Matilda wore it in Leon.
(The origin of chokers.)
Women still wear what Matilda wore
in Leon.
So fashions do come back.
Just as retro is popular in Korea,
it's coming back in Germany as well.
Because of Karl Lagerfeld,
capris have become popular again.
Not only that,
you can find 90s style
on streets everywhere.
In Italy, styles from 1920s
are coming back.
1920.
Suits with hats just like in movies.
For women, they put feathers
on their hats.
Or wear scarves made from feathers.
Pajettes are also coming back.
That comes from the flapper style
from America in 1920s.
So it originated from America?
(First controversy, jeans.)
(Of course it's American.)
It's from Italy.
That was something similar to jeans.
(Second controversy, hoodies.)
Monks wore it first.
He's right!
(Lost to the medieval times.)
(Can he finally beat Alberto?)
It's from America?
It's from America.
(Elated.)
(Finally won on his 3rd attempt!)
But that's originally from Mexico!
(Impossible...)
Aztecs used it as a crown!
So only one feather's left from that?
Mark barely got his first one...
But it's really from Pakistan.
Our traditional hat is round
with a feather.
We're talking about what's popular now.
We're done talking about origins.
I brought it up just for Mark!
Thanks...
Since old fashion styles are coming back...
I can't throw clothes away!
People say fashion repeats itself
every 10 years.
But that's not always true.
Sometimes it comes back earlier.
Or goes away quickly.
I think everything's mixed now.
They're all mixed.
(Both models agree.)
You can't tell when certain styles
actually come from.
Everything's mixed.
What's certain is, once I wear it,
I can make it go away.
Instantly!
Trend ender.
Let's not wear what Hyun-moo wears.
Sequin shirts are popular in France.
They're shirts with spangles
but when you touch it
it changes colors or shows
a hidden message.
The kids love it.
But you can't wash them!
Laundry destroys spangles.
That looks like fish's scales.
Fluorescent colors are popular in Poland.
Like that?
Really?
Especially for women.
Women use them on their shoes,
and even on their nails.
It kinda hurts your eyes.
(An unexpected flaw.)
In South Africa,
Rihanna's bra-less is popular.
What?
(Not wearing bras for gender equality.)
She thinks why do I have to wear one
just because I'm a girl?
Hearing a Korean word from him
was so weird just now...
Bra!
His name is Nam Jin-ho!
(Perfect Korean.)
A lot of women in our country
especially fashionistas, don't wear it.
It's promoting gender equality.
Rihanna's fashion became an issue
in China too.
In a Met Ball Show in 2005,
the show's theme was China.
So a lot of people wore
Chinese themed clothes.
But her long, yellow dress...
Had nothing to do with China.
So we thought it was portraying
our traditional egg rolls.
Eggs?
(Pizza version.)
Fishnet has been popular in China lately.
It really looks like fishnets.
I told my mom recently
that I would get her one if she wants it.
She said why I'm trying to make her
look like a fruit.
She wanted fruits instead.
It does look like a net for tangerines.
A photographer in Mexico
wore a jacket and took a photo.
But it said...
It was in front of the Trump Tower.
It went viral.
It says is the shit.
That doesn't mean is shit.
It means, it's the best.
People may get confused.
He made this jacket
to let the world know
that Mexico is the best.
Our famous soccer players
have started wearing them too.
But a young congresswoman in Mexico...
Well a lot of foreigners started
wearing this jacket in Mexico.
But she saw it and thought...
They were insulting Mexico
and took photos
then posted on her Twitter
saying that it was insulting...
She didn't know...
She should've said nothing!
That's so embarrassing.
Everyone found out she can't
speak English.
(She's so stupid...)
(Can she speak English?)
It's more like, Mexico is the best.
Exactly.
What are some things that
you just can't understand
why they're popular?
This was popular when I was in high school
and college.
Men wearing headbands were popular.
I wore it a lot too...
Sorry, I did as well...
It's Beckham's fault.
It's so horrible when I look at it now.
No one wears it now.
I bet it'll come back.
I just don't understand gyaru fashion...
In Japan.
It used to be about having a tan...
But now, it's called
odd color gyaru...
Their hair, skin and makeup
are all in vivid colors.
Like an Avatar!
It does look like an Avatar.
You don't understand
even when you're Japanese?
Did they collaborate with Poland?
Is Hyun-moo there?
I'll end that right away!
I'm grateful when foreigners
like Chinese characters
and get tattoos of them.
But sometimes they don't make any sense.
Justin Bieber has one...
But it means useless, a coward.
He has a Korean tattoo that says Bieber.
(He even has Hahoetal.)
But it says something different
if you look at it horizontally.
Foreigners really like tattoos.
So do Japan.
American soldiers in Japan
wear shirts with Japanese
or Chinese characters on them.
A guy this big has the word
cute on this t-shirt.
(That's totally possible.)
Why can't big guys be cute!
But he could be really buff...
Does he know what that means?
(Could've been a simple mix and match.)
Who's the best and the worst dresser
in Shinee?
Don't they all dress well?
Everyone in Shinee all wear
clothes that fit their styles...
But Tae-min...
Is a leader who shows
you're supposed to wear
comfortable clothes to airports.
Just 1 or 2 years ago...
He wore same track pants and slippers
everyday.
But his top changes.
He says if he changes his shirt,
people won't find out.
Yes, they do!
They definitely will!
That's okay.
Come with me to the airport.
I'll make you look like a good dresser.
Not anymore
(Tae-min dresses better now.)
Key is really interested in fashion.
He's the first one to wear
the latest trending style.
He's our source.
We ask him a lot of questions as well.
But sometimes it's so fancy,
I don't want to be next to him...
It feels like an award show...
There are 4 famous fashion weeks...
(Paris, where it all started.)
(A festival of luxury, Milan.)
(Commercial and popular collections)
(New York.)
(Avant garde, London.)
Which one do you think is the best?
New York.
New York has everything.
Not only do we have the fashion week,
we have a lot of other events too.
We also have a lot of designers,
famous fabric companies,
and famous fashion schools
such as FIT and Parsons.
We have a lot of magazines
such as Vogue.
There was a movie called
Devil Wears Prada too.
It was based on a magazine
like Vogue.
Paris...
Of course!
If they have Vogue,
we have Elle.
Elle!
In 2015, Paris was picked
as the best fashion city.
(Designers from Paris.)
(Where haute cotoure started.)
How about other countries?
Fashion #1...
Is Milan.
#1?
Milan's fashion week occurs
twice a year.
I think Milano.
Every designers want to be there.
Designers who debut in Milano
get successful.
(Ferragamo, Prada and Armani.)
And Fashion is synonymous with Italy.
But I thought about Paris at first.
But if you compare how they dress...
Alberto's a much better dresser.
Between Alberto, Aurelien and Mark,
Alberto is the best?
That's why I pick Milan.
(What will the stylist say?)
I think Paris.
There are a lot of movies
about fashion in Paris too.
(The New Yorker is getting thirsty.)
Today's not a good day for Mark.
I pick New York!
Thanks.
Why?
Fashion in Europe looks difficult.
to understand.
But American fashion is more easily
accessible.
It's convenient.
I feel like I need a lot of money
for Milan's style.
Then New York is cheap?
Their fashion is cheap.
What's wrong with that?
Models like New York.
(See?)
Because for Europeans,
going to Milano of Paris is easy.
But New York Fashion Week
is like our dream stage.
Thanks.
What do you guys think?
The best fashion city.
I've been to both fashion weeks
in Milano and New York.
They're totally different.
Milano was more classical.
New York was more modern
and more avant garde.
So?
So...
Where would you like to go again
if you could go to one more?
I...
Out of the two...
Milano...
How about Tae-min?
I've been to Milano Fashion Week...
There was a Seoul Fashion Week
in DDP recently.
I think Seoul's the best.
You just threw Min-ho under the bus.
What?
It's okay, I understand.
I only had two choices.
I would've chosen Seoul too.
I even performed in Seoul Fashion Week.
I saw you.
Everything revolves around his performance.
Seoul is coming up fast.
I know!
Shanghai's goal...
World's top 5 fashion city.
According to Daily Mail's research in 2014,
Shanghai is the most stylish city
in Asia, beating Tokyo.
According to Daily Mail?
Ogi looks so angry!
What's wrong?
We really won!
I guess having that many people helps.
But isn't Japan more famous for our
fashion designers and quality?
We have Kendo and Issey Miyaki.
I think Mexico City can make the top 5.
He said that so carefully.
Don't insult Mexico City!
Mexico City is the center of
Central and South America's fashion.
Really?
South America too?
The whole of Central and South America's...
Center for fashion.
There's a reason.
To North, there's America.
South American to south.
So we're affected by both America
and Central and South America.
Combined with our traditional garments,
our fashion has a lot of variety.
That's why designers who want to sell
in Central or South America
come to Mexico City first.
As Mexico City is the center there,
in South Asia...
Pakistan is becoming one.
Really?
Lahore is known as a city of fashion.
That's where Pakistan's biggest
fashion week opens.
We haven't been as popular because
our marketing isn't as good.
But it's growing very quickly.
But Lahore Fashion Week hasn't been
well received until recently because
a lot of clothes were too revealing.
Which one's revealing?
For some people in Pakistan,
they could be seen as revealing.
But it's changing.
I think it'll only get better from now on.
Who do you think Korea's best
fashionistas are?
Who do you think Korea's best
fashionistas are?
G-Dragon.
He's famous worldwide.
He dresses really well.
He also gets invited
by famous designers to their shows.
(Karl Lagerfeld.)
How about you Tae-min?
I also think G-Dragon is awesome.
But I also think Park Jin-young
and Uhm Jung-hwa
were also fashion leaders.
Vinyl fashion.
I heard that was burning hot...
When he danced in it.
Celebrities to wear trendy clothes.
But I also think they should
set their own trends as well.
You said your lines were important
because you dance.
That reveals every line in his body.
You can see everything clearly.
I think that's why he wore it.
(I should get one.)
Fashion industry changes quickly
as trends do.
Let's talk about the industry
in your country.
Unisex style has become a big issue
all over the world.
Unisex clothes were very popular
in Berlin Fashion Week.
In Italy, we call it genderless.
It started in the 60s.
Armani is the one who started it.
Armani used to have men's and women's
collections separately.
But he put same clothes
on both male and female models.
That became a huge issue.
Since then, women started to wear suits
when they only wore skirts before.
Armani started it.
And this person's been talked about a lot.
He's a famous photographer,
Oliviero Toscani.
(He tries to take pictures)
(that break prejudice.)
He recently tried to alert
anorexia within models.
He took a picture of a super skinny model.
And people were shocked.
People realized models shouldn't be
so skinny.
(She died due to intensive diet.)
There's a law against using skinny models.
34 brands have said...
They'd stop using XS size models.
It's illegal?
There's a comedian called Watanabe Naomi.
She's a bit chubby.
She's totally against skinny models.
Isn't she really popular?
She has over 7 million followers
on her Instagram.
She has the most followers in Japan.
She shows off her own qualities
as a model in magazines
to give hope to other people.
There are sites now that only sell clothes
that are plus sizes.
I think it's changing.
There are sites for short people too.
Really?
Not that I need it.
What?
Sometimes, fashion shows use old people
as models and I think that's really cool.
There's a huge variety these days.
I really like this brand...
But there's been an issue?
It's a SPA brand.
(SPA brands: Provides trendy clothes)
(at cheap price.)
Designers are trying to get rid of
SPA brands.
To make their products cheap,
they exploit women and children
in poor countries.
Labor exploitation.
So we're trying to stop them.
As the fashion industry changes,
there are more accessories
for fashion.
What are some things
that the idols use?
Men groups have intense choreography.
So our shirts fall out a lot.
So we attach rubber bands
to our shirts to hold it
on our legs.
I have one!
What?
I don't dance...
(I just visualized it...)
Same thing happens with fat people
when they sit down.
It is a nuisance to men.
When shirts fall off...
You can see the wrinkles...
It's a bit like garter belts for men.
We found out about it
when we started doing concerts.
We've been using it for a while.
People who see it for the first time
get shocked.
Of course.
Wearing just that could be shocking.
There's no reason to only wear that!
Holding coffee with it is a bit...
It's on every one of my shirts.
My stylist did it for me.
How about now?
Not now.
Only when I have to dance.
I visualized it.
Can I visualize it when you're dancing?
Yes...
(Shouldn't have brought it up...)
I found out about this...
From TVXQ.
I went to their concert.
But they were putting their feet first
when they're wearing shirts.
They told me it keeps the shirt in.
When we're doing concerts...
We have to change in under 3 minutes.
Jackets or pants are fine.
But shirts have buttons.
Buttoning up a shirt takes a long time.
So we leave the front
and cut the back of the shirt.
Then we sew Velcros on the back.
So we can just put our arms in
like Iron Man and just pat it down.
It's so quick.
So it's only for shows?
Yes.
I wore one once.
Not the garter belt.
Just the shirt to change quickly.
Just the shirt.
Sometimes my shirt does fall off
when I'm singing.
Let's talk about some cool fashion items
in your country.
The standard of living in Poland...
Is expensive.
So shampoos to clean sneakers
are really popular.
For white shoes?
Some women carry it with them
in their bags.
(That's nice.)
Men have that culture when
one person buys new white shoes,
his friends would all step on them.
Especially in schools.
(Everyone has done it at least once.)
There's always this one guy.
I got stepped on a lot...
(Poor Hyun-moo...)
Male celebrities with beards
have become more popular.
So there's an item for beards.
They're fake beards that look like
celebrities' beards.
It'll be called something like,
Hyun-moo's Beards.
(And you can just attach it to your face.)
Mine would need a lot of hair.
That looks so uncomfortable.
How about Hyun-moon's chest hair?
That'll be popular in Mexico.
There must be some people who buy it...
Mexico thinks women with big lips
are sexy.
So an item that can make your lips bigger
by pressure is popular in Mexico.
Like Kylie Jenner?
Lips get bigger instantly?
You have to wait.
After about 5 minutes...
Your lips will pop out.
Doesn't your mouth turn red too?
We used to use cups as kids for fun.
You can even get a bruise!
(A lot of people have tried it.)
It lasts for 3 to 4 days!
And with our macho culture,
to accentuate the masculinity...
We have correctional underwear...
(Accentuates butts.)
Is that padded?
When Mexican women look at men,
they look at butts...
For men too?
They do what?
I thought you said they
go bananas for butts.
(Watch the pronunciation.)
There are two types.
There's a type for the front as well.
(For the front?)
(There's one for the front as well.)
Have you tried it?
No...
I don't need one.
The future of makeup for women
might change in Japan.
A thing called makeup sheet came out.
Makeups are put on like this.
But if you sit in front of a mirror,
and this mirror will tell you where
to put makeups on and how.
And it will print the sheet instantly.
(That's so awesome.)
If you put it on, it'll look like
you put on a makeup.
And I'd like to recommend this
to Hyun-moo.
Hyun-moo worries about his nipples.
There are nipple bands.
There was a video for its marketing
with a man who uses it
and a man who doesn't.
It's use less because if you put it on
but if the wind blows,
you can see a circular outline.
Ours isn't like that!
I've tried it!
It's even more embarrassing!
I totally know what he's talking about.
(United under nipple bands.)
Is yours transparent?
The Japanese one is transparent.
That's not important.
Compression is.
Are you wearing one now?
No, I'm wearing a jacket.
I heard it ripped.
(Got through the shield.)
(So sorry to hear that...)
It's more painful during winter because
they goes like this even more in the cold.
They're very aggressive.
Would you want any of these?
I'm really intrigued by the makeup sheet.
I've always dreamed of something
like that.
I always asked if that exists.
Makeups take forever
and we wanted to sleep in.
So we wondered if such a thing
existed.
(It'll come out soon.)
It's still under development.
Non Summit Meeting episode 172.
It was Tae-min's agenda.
I can't throw away clothes
in case they come back.
Am I abnormal?
I think the most important thing
in fashion is confidence and personality.
Let's listen to Hyun-moo
who's very confident about his style.
These days, I've realized that...
Your body is the most important thing
in fashion.
With a body like theirs,
whatever you wear...
it'll look good.
Having a healthy body is important.
That's what I'd like to say.
What did you guys think about today?
I had so much fun today
talking about fashion.
You should say thanks here.
It's watching.
What if it pops out?
I've held it down.
Hi!
(A very friendly guy...)
Anyways...
I had a great time.
It was great seeing you guys again.
I hope you guys enjoy Move.
How about Min-ho?
It's been a while since I've been here.
I had a great time.
For the last 9 years as a singer,
I've been to all of your countries
except Pakistan, Poland and South Africa.
But I would love to when I get a chance.
The time you dreaded is here.
Non Summit Meeting will now adjourn.
Until we're all normal again.
For my saviors, Shinee...
I present this song.
(What song is he standing for?)
(Adjourned!)
(Catalonia proclaimed independence)
(has become a huge controversy.)
(With a representative from Spain.)
Whose fault is it?
It's Madrid's fault.
Independence...
Should be the last resort.
They didn't negotiate for 7 years!
Then everyone will do the same thing.
(A huge debate erupts!)
(The original Ji-Yong is here.)
It's Ko Ji-Yong.
I thought you don't do TV.
I wanted to bring an interesting topic.
I want to save energy from lightnings.
Am I abnormal?
I didn't know I'd talk to Sechs Kiss
about this.
(Energy around the world.)
(And issues with it.)
The half life is over 20,000 years.
There's a medicine
for being exposed to radiation.
(An energy expert.)
He sounds like an expert.
(A professor, Ko Ji-Yong.)
What are some renewable energy?
We have udon.
Fire ice.
That technology is still too expensive.
A solar powered airplane.
It's too expensive.
It's still a difficult application.
Ilsan has it in its apartments.
In apartments?
(A rival?)
(Energy filled Monday night.)